The condition of the knife is worn, but otherwise good. Marbles prototype: Super rare item. Only the same "Camillus N.Y." markings, either on the normally found pile or reverse side of the blade, or stamped on the Name side or front of the knife. Shameful right after the factory closes what comes out. Ontarios knife became procured by the U.S. Army and was issued a National Stock Number, NSN: 1095-01-530-0833 within the Federal Supply System. head pommel. I havent had the opportunity to measure it as its not in my possession and never was, I simply saw it. the M3 and the M4 reproductions. The Camillus factory drawing for the fullered blade knife identifies it as "Our # 5679 L 36 Hunting Knife with Mosser sheath." The genesis of the Air Force Survival Knife goes back to the 1950s at the dawn of the jet age. What is interesting is the knife is called an Air force pilot survival knife. One is the "Shark.". Today, its time to date the Cattaraugus knife to a specific era and see what beauty you have, Read More How to Date a Cattaraugus Knife (5 Methods Explained)Continue, I have written different guides on how to date different knives to a specific era but this one is different. Camillus 1996 Combination Folding Knife USN $24.99 1 bid $5.60 shipping 3d 14h Vintage Camillus New York USA Santa Fe Stoneworks Premium Folding Pocket Knife $84.99 Was: $99.99 or Best Offer SPONSORED Vintage 4 Blade CAMILLUS 1981 USA Military Survival Pocket Knife - SKU 1617 While some other companies have taken over the design and started to make modern versions, there is simply nothing like the older units that first came out under the original Klaas company. Western made two: one with a 6-inch blade, the G46-6, and one with a 5-inch blade, the G46-5. knife that was adopted. Klein knives are clear vintages, and theyre one of those knives that went to the war. Anything you can tell me about its history? I have a Camillus USA 5 fixed blade knife that was issued to me between 1964-1965 as a flight crew member in Patrol Squadron 8, VP-8 Anti submarine warfare squadron. This was where he first got a taste for cutlery, which would later shape the man he became and the company he launched. The This is when Camillus re-designed their screw top pommel. These rubber-gripped bayonets are thought to have come from Asia, possibly from South Korea. (222) $59.00. Below the knives are short write up of what they are. Held off rust well, and it is pretty solid. I will send you pics if you want but the condition is probably average or less but thats a guess. As best as can be ascertained, the two holes are used as lashing points for cordage for survival tasks in the field, such as creating a hasty spear. Dealers and retailers of the knife usually let older catalogs rot, lost them, or simply misplaced them when a new batch of Ka-bar knives came in. The Newer one is by Camillus the older one I got given to by my uncle, who got it from someone in Vietnam. The one on the right pommel nut and screw are brass. With areas like Germany, Italy, China, and the rest of the world getting the praises for coming up with truly timeless knives, the USA takes the glory for this one. Your email address will not be published. Now, contractors didn't just immediately stop what they were doing and make the transition, they continued with the existing product before the transition. I believe the two holes in the blade guard was to dummy cord the knife. Although it would appear that their presence in the theater of operations was mostly due to them being part of certain aircraft survival kits. in the handle grip from the looks of it. The two sheaths while marked differently, IMHO are from the same manufacture. The 1954 update calls for the knife to have a sharpened clip point blade and an additional rivet to the sheath. Step 2: Read the markings You could find either the USMC or USN MK2 marking on the knife. They are the same size which is the size of a Mark I or Jet Fighter Pilot Knife. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. I have several good photos of the knife which Id be happy to forward but there doesnt seem to be a way to send them to you on this site. A Kent marked with Indian Trail and large brass rivets, J-9 marked is another Kent prototype with domed steel Currently, the military-grade Air Force Survival Knife is only manufactured and sold by the Ontario Knife Company. with steel domed rivets. However, the essential features of the knife have remained constant throughout the life of the knife. The similarities to Mark I knives are obvious, but they were procured and manufactured under different contracts and specifications. I appreciate the vote of confidence . The new design that was adopted was the 6 inch JPK. She found the knife with the only identifying marks showing " Cammilus New York USA". Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. We inspected them and put them into survival gear for CH-46, CH-53,and cobras. down, risers and lines. View all posts by Major Hykr. The dummy cord is tied on a hole at the blade guard and then it is sewn in the green pouch. I attach a photo of the peened pommel that makes this 6" a 1960 model: Hi. If you happen to have, Read More How to Date A Case Kodiak Knife by Yourself (Expert Advice)Continue, If you have spent some time here before, then we have dated some pretty amazing knives together. Finally Ive found something which helped me. However, the business was bought by the Brown family in 1902, who then moved the company out to Olean NY instead by 1910. by coffeecup Sun May 26, 2013 9:03 am, Post The tang stamp on this knife is post Government contract era. Don't know how durable or even if it is any good. IMHO, both knives fit into the category of Navy Mark1 knives. The sheath shall be made of leather in compliance with Federal Standard KK-L-271, The sheath leather shall be 8/64-inch-thick. That stamp is different than the one used earlier. What is the white dot on the handle? Examine your knife pocket identifying mark on one of the blades. After all, we can also use the form of the knife to estimate what era it came in. Unknown: Believed to be a special hunting knife made for 5665 J68: Unknown so far, unable to find the S card the I dont believe they were pinned in that era. I just want to know its history. WW2 CAMILLUS *Air Force* Folding Machete Survival Knife w/Guard $79.00 20 bids $12.50 shipping Ended USMC US M3 Case 1943 Fixed Blade Fighting Knife Stacked Leather Handle & Sheath $314.00 14 bids $15.49 shipping 3d 5h U.S. M-1 GARAND / HANDLE SCALES and PARTS ( See Discription ) $17.50 2 bids $13.17 shipping Ended the M3 pommel and guard to improve their knife and help conserve parts. You have a very scarce Camillus MARK 1. It is currently still in inventory with the DoD through the GSA. Some companies marked them and some did not. brass rivets, Another Kent with stagged bone and small brass domed Consequently, the knife blade being reduced from six inches to five inches allowed it to retain some of the qualities necessary to carry out survival tasks, but small enough that it could be easily stowed on an aircrewmans vest without causing interference for aircrews trying to carry out their duties while flying. I also picked up another old Camillus that has no dates on it whatsoever. This guide to dating Camillus knives is focused on the Camillus-stamped knives only. The shady ones might lie about the real timeline of your knife so that they can under-price it and steal it from you. It doesn't get any better then this S-449 A and S-449B Prototype Hunting Knives with different spacer arrangements. Later, when we received individual survival and flotation gear, the knife scabbard was sometimes sewn into the pocket where a .38 special was stored during Vietnam days on the survival vest. There was a spin off copy cat comp. Frank reports that Marbles was supplying the Ideal to the Government as early as 1934. Your email address will not be published. Camillus produced the Jet Pilot Survival Knife with a 5-inch blade from 1961-2006. There are many variables to take into consideration and a general genealogy of dating can be made with Mark 1 knives. by Colonel666 Wed May 29, 2013 10:48 pm, Post Made to cut overhead upside Thank you. This is usually where I first look at when dating knives. I just bought this knife from Ontario Knife Company. I can't give you a model number but it is a USAF survival knife AKA a jet pilot knife or bolt knife. The first bullet point was in an initial version of the article. Possibly, some may have had one issued to them while serving in the military. I have little knowledge on the Use of it in Vietnam, that said, I cant find much details. Orig. Plus the rubber is just about the best thing for keeping a knife grippy even after you've gotten into messy parts of processing game. Dustin- Great information! Engineers. The current edition of this document is Aerospace Standard SAE-AS-8662. by Colonel666 Mon May 27, 2013 2:59 am, Post It has two blades; one is a standard 2.5-inch cutting blade and the other is a locking. Camillus Keto Folding Knife $29.99 2 Reviews Notify Me When In Stock Camillus Choff Folding Knife Black $19.99 Notify Me When In Stock Camillus LK6 Folding Knife $22.99 Notify Me When In Stock Camillus Wedge Folding Knife $19.99 Notify Me When In Stock Camillus Carbide Edge Folding Knife $36.99 Notify Me When In Stock Camillus Heater II Neck Knife FYI, in case your interested, the Government specification sheath for this knife is still available. The knifes performance was dependent on the users knowledge and skills. Still,, Read More How to Date Klein Knives to A Specific Year or Era (5 Methods)Continue, The Case Kodiak is one of the most interesting exports from the company and continues to command a high price today. The blade design is different then the I am trying to find any information on a 7 inch U.S. Camillus. The USMC solicited bids from several knife J63: Army Parachutist Knife. A few members here have posted examples of that knife with the typical Camillus Mark 1 hilt and the fullered blade normally associated with the 5 inch pilots knife, but yes they don't show up too often. As such, finding a definitive history of the development and procurement of this knife is difficult to reconstruct. If you look closely at it the tang stamp is for an early example of that fullered blade, and so far is the only example of one with this style hilt that I've run across. I had the Colonial and Geneva knives flipped the wrong way, You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. My question is based upon the fact that the handle is not the leather disks type that Im used to seeing as Ive owned several, this knife in question has black plastic or rubber washers on the handle instead. Bright blade (no property mark) initial production referred to as a 5-inch hunting knife, bright blade USN now referred to as the Mark 1, USN ricasso stamped with parked blade (corrosion resistant treatment compliance), late procurements with applied MARK 1 ricasso stampings. By the close of 1943, a satisfactory method was applied. I was wondering if you had run across anything about the dates on the pommel nut. The one on the left there is a bevel at the top of the grip. The table below shows you different tang stamp designs and when they were circulated.Tang StampDescriptionYear/ Era3-line arch stamp1902-19154-line straight stamp with yearFeatures year of manufacture3-line straight stamp1916 the 1930s4-line straight stampThe 1930s mid-19453-line; non-italic fonts; short underline1946 19503-line; non-italic, full underline; no dots (USA., not U.S.A.)1960 the 1970s3-line stamp; full underline; dotted U.S.A.; italicsThe 1970s 1980s3-line stamp; dotted U.S.A.; mixed caps1989 2007Camillus Knife Tang Stamps and their Eras. where possible. If you have a collector around, check with them to see if they had kept such catalogs. If you happen to have, Read More How to Date A Case Kodiak Knife by Yourself (Expert Advice)Continue, Klein knives are clear vintages, and theyre one of those knives that went to the war. Here are some links to other threads touching on this subject. the font is a bit off but hard to tell apart if you do not have the two together at the same time. While some other companies have taken over the design and started to make modern versions, there is simply nothing like the older units that first came out under the original Klaas company. Your email address will not be published. Above we feature the Camillus USMC reproduction. This was one of Both have dark what I believe is blued blades. Enjoy! To re-arrange a genuine item like this would be quite a task. Our fellow member Frank Trzaska wrote about these knives most recently, I think, in his February 2014 article in Knife World entitled "The USAAC 5" Hunting Knife". Show me your knife, and I'll tell you who you are. larger pommel version we all know. Otherwise, have someone who does. Ontarios model became the Aircrew Survival and Egress Knife, System (ASEK) based on the published requirements by the U.S. Army. They all now have similar appearances, a conformity if you will. I would, thus, rather you look at the knife itself rather than trying to use the sheath to make a judgment. The genesis of the Air Force Survival Knife goes back to the 1950s at the dawn of the jet age. Has can openers, awl, driver. Ken Spielvogel - The "Accumulator" of knives- "The Talking Knives". Any Further Details or assistance is greatly appreciated. I viewed the ransacked show room Hoping to try and date them but I am finding conflicting information. Hand marked on the The tip of the sheath is pointed and the back part of leather extends beyond the front for two lanyard holes. They got into every kind of game and having different manufacturers along the line meant that they all didnt have to stick to the same design philosophy. Ive bookmarked your site and Im including your RSS feeds to my Google account. I know my knives - maybe not as well as my mother - but enough to write helpful guides for you. So, whats unique about the history of the Camillus knives? I have not At a time like this, when not all dealers can be trusted, you need to be on guard. I have three of these babies from my flying days with the U. S. Navy. Moreover, the requirement for having a standard survival knife for pilots and aircrews across the DoD was due to economic considerations and budgeting constraints at the time which fostered standardization across the military services. Bruce Mergele, QMC, USNR-Retired. Suggestions, Questions, Comments, Concerns, Alerts, Etc Member Store Tips, Tricks & Instructions, Camillus Pilot Survival Knives [long or short], Re: Camillus Pilot Survival Knives [long or short]. 1937. The TL-29 electrician's knife was originally an issue item manufactured by the Camillus Cutlery Company. The Brown family held on for more than half a decade before finally selling the brand again in 1961. markings on the knives or the special way the knife was built. generate quite a few questions so we hope this is a help to a few folks. I am 63 yo and have had this knife since I was a teenager. One Side of the blade should have the Camillus Knife brand and the identification should have the blade number. Any information you could provide would be greatly appreciated. Another part of the group has Co., Tidioute;Union Cut. I will highly recommend this site! It appears that in 2006, Ontario Knife Company became the current vendor to the DoD of the Jet Pilot Survival Knife under the National Stock Number (NSN): 7340-00-098-4327. Okay, maybe not fakes. Charlie I happen to agree with your take here. Some had been made before the time, and they dont have the exact specs as above. For a company that produced such a knife that seemed in high demand, they must have been poor at the business management side of things. The picture I posted is of a knife I had bid on in an auction, but did not win. Another unmarked Prototype hunter with stagged Rosewoods I would classify them as USAAF knives. Do you think your Camillus is older than your friends, but neither is sure? Knives made by top companies were featured in catalogs that were either internally maintained or sent out to dealers and collectors. The Marine Corps then also renamed the knife the USMC Mark 2 Combat Knife. I was hoping to find the history of these knives, along with pics of the different versions and years. The blade markings are not specified on the Camillus drawing. I have sent you an email to see how I may be able to help. The blade not adopted had a flat blade with plastic Resinox pommel. 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