Gone all gone..replaced by new brick 3 story dormsonly thing left are the paved roads.only memories nowafter all we were told they were condemned in 1936. We had two native Americans in my platoon and he is one of them. Pleiku to Ane Khe to long Than and the Delta to camp BearCat and 1969 to 71 A228TH AVN BATALLION 1st CAV Crew Chief Chinooks. Looking for ANYONE who may remember him or the name. WE could never walk on the platoon center floor, bunks were arranged around the perimeter, and he would sometimes come in at night after we'd showered, and pour dirt out of a gunny sack on the floor, empty the butt-can water on it, and make us crawl through it making oink sounds like a pig, then on to the upstairs and same thing, with the upstairs guys low crawling downstairs, passing each other on the stairs! Barracks were freezing cold. The timing is very compelling and suggestive. Took both basic and Infantry AIT at Lewis. I entered late August 1970. Art School SP4 Haines with an M-60 machine gun. I don't know much about his time there other than the Year he graduated. A-2-1, Feb-Apr 1967. Graves, in fact I have a photo of him. Upon graduation was sent to Ft Sam Houston Texas in San Antonio. North Fort Barracks Fort LewisWA98433 Menu & Reservations Make Reservations Order Online Tickets Tickets See Availability Directions Joint Base Lewis-McChord, WA 98433 Hours: Monday - Thursday 7:00 a.m. - 4:30 p.m. Friday 7:00 a.m. - 3:30 . I know that we did not, but I can't recall how we got our underwear and fatigues cleaned. I was a squad leader down stairs and ended up in a Sheridan tank. Next time I vacation up there Ill preplan and also bring my passport. Was in B-1-1 April 1968. D11, California Mod squad. Vietnam 68-69, 18th Brigade, I was there in BCT C42 Chargin Charlie Rah!! Graves and Forcade were the D.I.'s. Was Sgt. I hope some of my platoon members read this and reach out. I remember seeing those barracks when we lived on post. DI was SSgt Hunt. Both served in World War ll. Drill Sgt Delano and Sgt. Tall lanky white guy who could run like a gazelle. There are a wide variety of rentals available near the base. October 2012 The first new three-story barracks quadrangle opened on November 29, 1927, housing a field artillery regiment, today buildings 2019, 2020, and 2021 between Montana Street (now Pendleton Street) and California (Liggett Street). I was in Ft Lewis in 1971, can't remember the months I was there, have to look it up, I was in Company C-3-1 all Hawaii company. Probably the same short, thin, white, young, recent Vn returnee. The Drill sargent was a puertorican. AUE provided full design of the bearing walls, floor and roof framing in light gauge framing for this 3-story building used to house soldiers. Basic at Lewis Nov 69-Jan70. So naturally I thought it was great. March thru May 1970 A-5-1 Very wet and miserable weather. Zeeks and Sgt. Prince (and what a lovely guy he was! You must have been in the 1st, 2nd or 4th platoon. About the Position: 108th Training Command, Initial Entry Training (IET), 4 BN/414, 1 Brigade, 104 Training Division, located in Fort Lewis, Washington. IMCOM is not responsible for the content of links outside home.army.mil. D52. Jeffrey Fellin Ambush Stayed at ft Lewis for 2 yrs. Michael: No offense but it was not the 3rd platoon of B-1-1 in August of 1969 that had a kegger in the woods. I was in B-52 at Fort Lewis Washington in August of 1968. BCT D-3/1, Inf AIT D-2/3. I recall the footlocker and trunk routine. Victor Villanueva I told my grandson."don't look back.they won't chase us" and they did not. You were there at the same time as Grady Myers. Fort Lewis Temporary Lodging/Billeting. A-3-1 4 May 70 - 2 July 70 Practiced every evening with the other 4 Companies that made up the Battalion for Graduation Parade. Davila's Tigers. Ken Rodgers JBLM is located about an hour outside of Seattle in Tacoma, Washington. Searching for the name of my DI, E-3-2 March to May 1970. 3802. Saved my life. John Titone New barracks at Fort Lewis were specified with bearings walls and framing by other. Named after Meriwether Lewis of the famous Lewis and Clark expedition, Fort Lewis is one of the country's biggest and most modernized military bases. I was also in A-3-2 late July to Oct. 3, 1969. Then assigned after zero week of testing, KP and other duties moved to Company A-3-1 to begin eight weeks of Basic Combat Training which included bed making, using a buffer, rolling and folding underwear etc. 2,534 Fort Lewis Premium High Res Photos Browse 2,534 fort lewis stock photos and images available, or search for fort lewis washington or army base to find more great stock photos and pictures. Any one out there assigned to Ft Lewis during that time? Also drafted Jan 20,1971 basic at fort Lewis also B 5 2 1st platoon.. A.I.T at fort Rucker Ala. MOS 51M20 firefighter. Never knew his first name or where he was from. We had the meningitis restrictions also back in 1966 too. Jess Walter Left Nov/1970. You need a sponsor to get thru the gate. Infantry B-1-1 1967 Drill Seargant Potter (good cop) and Saling (bad cop).. 17 years oldVietnam 1968-69Tet Offensive as we landed at Bien Hoa. So much fun. Sgt. BCT 1-14-67 to 3-10-67; Ft. Lewis, WA, LPC 24-64-;3-12-67 to 3-24-67; AIT, C-3-2; 3rd Plt, 2nd Sqd. Echo Company, First Batallion, First Brigade. Him and Horn..! (Colorado), I to was at Ft. Lewis early 1970, I'll find my DD214 to get exact dates. 109 of us were processed through Houston AFFEES, flown to Seattle-Tac then on to Ft Lewis. Every other window open due to the meningitis epidemic, 20 mile forced march. 7ID History: Operation Just Cause - 32 Years Ago Today December 20, 2021. Bravo! Right behind you. Looking of Kenny Williams who was in the bunk above me and did a tatoo on my shoulder with indian ink and a pin. Remember we would get rained on, get soaked then told to on rain gear. Timeline Attributes. Of the names you mentioned earlier, there a a guy upstairs named John Steele. The army could have been much worse for me during those 2-1/2 years and the VA has been very good to me. Lanaman was also in the Co. "Go for broke" forth platoon, second squad. I was in B-5-2 Jan 70 Carl Imlay was DS and DS DeGeorge was senior DS, how was there 1970 looking for my buddy when I was there my drill sergeant was Fasano we went to the horse race track together and we even hit Pike Street downtown Seattle if you know what I mean. July 2013 These support activities include supply, transportation, maintenance, and material readiness. Lot of URI and if you went on sick call for 2 or more days you got re-cycled to start over or if you couldn't do PT you went to a PT platoon until you could do the Army drills and complete basic. He later died in 2009 from emphysema, from god knows what. I was at Ft.Lewis March 13 1970 to May 1970 in B 3 2. Get email updates for new Senior Data Analyst jobs in Fort Lewis, WA. Fort Worden, Fort Lewis, Camp MacKay, the Vancouver Barracks, Camp Hightower, and at La Croix, France, photographs of the state training ship U.S.S. And yes it rained all the time! I was in E-3-1. Pennywell. Most of the guys in the unit were NG's or ER's, with a few US's--draftees who didn't hesitate to remind the RA's that they would be out a year ahead of them. His identical twin, Danny, was doing basic/AIT at Ft. Ord the same time we were. Chicago A short skinny black E-6. Coming up on 50 years ago (March, 72) that I was discharged from Army. Send me your contact info to my email address. I might suppose battalion and regiment, but Im not sure that makes sense. It's important to know that visitors should park a few blocks away and not enter through the driveway. Also known as Richard David | Richard Davison | Richar Davidson . Teddy Fisher Pinto was our DI. I know it sounds crazy but I thoroughly enjoyed basic training and the rest of my time the Army. What was Howitzer gunners life like in the war? I was in E-1-1. We had to carry our foot lockers over our heads in the middle of the night cause someone couldn't keep his gear neat and uniform . I did keep our original A31 Basic Training Platoon photo, if anyone would like a copy please contact me and I will make sure you receive a nice fresh copy NO Cost I have NOT heard from anyone I may have been with although my unit in Vietnam began having reunions every year back in 2006' and I cannot tell you how wonderful it is to have been reunited with many of those great men. In addition to BCT, I shipped to Korea and Vietnam from Fort Lewis. I was there Apr-May 1971 C 5 2. Grady was an M-60 machine gunner in The U.S. Army's Company Cs 2nd Platoon, 1st Battalion, 8th Regiment, 4th Infantry Division in late 1968 and early 1969. Belated thanks for sharing your memory, William. Everyone loaded up with candy bars and stuff. dagnabbit@outlook.com, I remember very well having to do guard Duty have nighttime had to be fully dressed in fatigues and walk back and forth in that cold Barrett then I have to wake up my other buddy to take over, Looking for anybody that might have been there in between January of 1970 to the summer. Smith or Johnson, fuzzy on the name. Dale Dehnke, George Paige, Steve Shannon and Joe Esparza. Yeah, these are the "temporary" barracks we were housed in when I was in BCT at E-4-2 in early 1969. If someone came out of the darkness the weapon would have been useless with no time to load. I am proud to have trained under him and will never forget what he did for us. Lol. I was in the first BCT cycle to use D Block in North Fort Lewis since WWII. February 2018 Worked in post Head Quarters, Directorate of Plans and Training November 70 to March 72. Hence PV2 Wallace had KP. Permanent resident card or Alien Registration Receipt Card (INS Form I-551) Every time they shot one off, it was like the loudest bang in the world. Everybody had to have there picture taken with that in it! B 5 2. Do you recall? We eat VC for breakfast painted on side of barracks. Cold and windy in Oklahoma. Sad to hear they will be demolished. I hope you get a chance to read "Boocoo Dinky Dow" Grady's experiences at Fort Lewis are a big part of the story. JOINT BASE LEWIS-McCHORD - In answer to the ongoing housing needs at Joint Base Lewis-McChord, garrison leaders recently announced new homes will be built in the Meriwether Landing community, on Lewis North, in 2027. Half my platoon were all California ( Im native) and the other all northeast areas mostly poor uneducated. . Dan Webster Google Earth road view shows them standing, but the aerial view shows they are gone. Navy boot camp was a joke compared to Army boot camp, so I pretty much skated through boot camp, Lost touch with guys from my company, still have some old pics of us in boots camp with a couple of us kneeling by our company moto "IMUA" which means moving on, don't stop, give it all you got. Took basic in North Fort Lewis D Block from the last of August to November 1966. B Company It was tuff but I'm glad the draft got me. Click on the link for more information. We had a lot of upper respiratory infections. Bob Benzon I cracked a smile and the DS made me dig a hole and bury it. It had been filmed by a CBS news crew and the Army was catching some heat, so Drill Instructor Duane Phillips ordered me to paint over it while the rest of the company went on a ten mile jog. I saw him in Vietnam filling sand bags. I I I I Last minute they sent to ft.Lewis in December.Very cold was in A-3-1 alpha gator north fort. They disappeared and were never found (just the boat and gear) RIP Wayne. Camp Lejeune is unfortunately the flagship of contamination on a long list of other contaminated U.S. military installations. That always bothered me but we had to sign a different roster because our state was charged with our meals. My last week of basic I was given my alert orders to go to Fort Sam Houston to be a medic.. thanks for the info Dale..I guess the days of a visitors pass is out also, Recently, four months ago I was traveling south from a Seattle with my 15 year old grandson and decided to pull off at Steilicomb exit and give him a tour of old North Fort Lewis. Can't believe I made it through all that. I was probably in the rotation before you Oct-Dec. There must have been list because the machines were in constant use but there was no quibbling about who was next. Unit was E-2-1. Had to scrub the place top to bottom. I still have nightmares about him. Hit Vietnam 70-71. E-3-1 basic training Fort Lewis, Washington 11jul66 north Fort. Do Ft Lewis was kind of a dreary place anyway, but standing there listening to names being called was kind of weird. There were about 5 songs playing everywhere: Three were: Cheri Amour (Stevie Wonder), Sugar Sugar (Archies) and Wait a Million years (Grassroots). My time in old fort 10/30/68 to sometime in late February 1969 was spent as i'm sure yours was only training , no fun stuff. Joint Base Lewis-McChord, WA 98433-9500 Phone: 253-967-3151 DSN: 357. His assistant DS was a short guy who always looked like he was about to tell a joke. We always had to have someone on fire watch to keep the coal furnace going. Jim, I was there the same time, Nov 1970 - Jan 1971, Alpha 1-1. I was in B-3-1 and graduated in Nov 70. Please add me to your E-Mail/Comments list. Does anyone remember my father Arthur Swanson? Lucius Thomas. Spokane Public Library Starting 1-20-71. Wisconsin. Went through North Fort Lewis (JBLM) Oct 22, 2021. I would like to find the group pictures of B-3-2 group during that time. The corporal will go to the NCO training school while the specialist might not. So many memories. We were pushed to extremes of physical tolerance and had to carry our weaker "trainees" on forced marches for many miles in cold and rain. In another recommendation, DoD recommended to realign McChord AFB, WA, by relocating the installation management functions to Fort Lewis, WA, establishing Joint Base Lewis-McChord. August of 66 for me too in the old wooden barracks on North Fort Lewis, but I didn't see coal furnaces until AIT at Fort Gordon, GA, I was there July 1966 (A-2-1 Rah) And the basic training reopening was so new that we had a 'stand in' DI (Sgt.Dennison) who insisted everyone quit smoking. Remember the winter of 69,was supposed to do BCT at ft. BLISS TX. The sergeant and his cohort ran after the culprits, but the duffel bag was tossed out the back window into waiting arms and spirited away. We had to sleep with the windows open no matter the weather. Went back and backpacked through the Cascades a few years ago. Cold wet and frozen. Interesting activity after being assigned to my job in the post headquarters. But this left me with so many questions, I wish I could have been a bit older to speak to him about it. Fort Lewis WA | Fort Worth TX. I showed up right after youAug 1968D-5-2. You would be hard put to find an activity that you could not do in this area. I took my basic training at Fort Lewis in August of 1966 and was then sent to Fort Ord for AIT. GO Army. Kent Nagle, Vince Grimes, ? Not sure why this happens I did sign up once again but will have to say all the years on the site I have yet to meet up with anyone from the time I was there. Thank you for replying! I was on 2nd floor. Your dad walked on such stones. Also, do you remember the name of your CO? Patriots Prepared every man a Tiger. We did most of the training in wet weather gear. Most of us seemed older--20 or older. Plei Trap I am looking for my Basic Training graduation picture, (July 1969), if someone has a copy. Then later, when I came back to the states in 76, I was with 268th signal (at Ft Lewis) who just happened to be using the same building B-1-1 used to be. I went on to Fort Lee VA right after basic. B-2-2 Drill Sgt. I recall my grandmother telling me my grandfather was complaining of hearing loss and pain so she inspected it and dug mug and gun powder from deep in his ear months after him returning. I was there the same as you. March 2013 It was trashed; yep, he piled it up. The difference between the two grades is that sergeant is considered a non-commissioned officer (NCO) while the specialist is not. This website still works very well, and it is fun to read the comments posted by those who shared Ft. Lewis BCT around that time. I never got used to it. When we ran around in the tear gas shack singing Happy Birthday, it was the first time our sinuses had cleared. (Survivor of the battle of Hue). If I had been a sergeant, I could tell people outside of my kitchen what to do. My dad was drafted from California and went to basic June or July 1967 B co trying to find someone who might remember him. My grandfather was drafted into the Army from Nashville, TN sometime in 1967. 54 Echo stationed at Ft Lewis 1982. Then someone wrenched the bag from the sergeant and ran up the stairs and into the building while others provided interference. August 2012 Retirement and Weltschmerz. There is one anomaly from that envelope. Willys Jeepster I assume that you were in the same training area in D Block in North Fort? I was with you there B1-1 Potter was black Saling was Small went to Vietnam in March 1968 6th bat 31 inf. Never had enough to eat only when we in the field. B-5-2 April-May 1968. Sherman was a DS when I was there at the same time. Cannot remember their names. Sgt. All in All it was a good time and i got alot of great memories and the VA is still taken care of me. I was in D22, which may have been very close to you. If that area had a basketball court across the area where mail was dished out, then that's the same place. Saw clear skies a little more often then, but still a miserable place to learn how to become a Grunt. Michael Herr Tom Williams Dale. Fort Lewis, also known as Joint Base Lewis-McChord (JBLM), is located near Tacoma, Washington. Later twice I was levied for VN but both times the levies were rescinded and I never received orders Good duty which I enjoyed and got to help Nursing Service assigned to the Dispensaries and put more of my training to use. I let my boys climb on the old ropes. D-5-2 April - June, 1971 Chilly, windy and cold. Drill Sergeant Kihiki U.S. Army Basic Combat Training, Ft. Lewis, Washington "I enlisted in the Army on February 19, 1968. I was there april 17 th 1969 to July. 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