GOLDMAN: Yeah. So they were looking to mine that, to exploit that territory. New details reveal the ambitions of an operation intended to infiltrate opponents of Donald Trump, including moderate Republicans as well as progressives and Democrats. Mr. It's not clear, though, if any of that was actually used in a way that thwarted anybody's candidacy or damaged their political reputation. The McMaster operation was aborted after he, unrelated to Project Veritas, resigned under pressure from Trump. Back in December, county commissioners approved a rezoning request for a multi-billionaire to develop an exclusive guest ranch in the southernmost part of the Greater Yellowstone ecosystem. NY Times reporter Adam Goldman describes an undercover effort, headed up by an avid Trump supporter, that trained conservatives in espionage techniques and sent them to dig up dirt on progressives. What was this about? So he's certainly moved in this world before. Erik Prince doesn't live in the state, he's from the same party as the incumbent, Sen. John Barrasso, and he's best known for founding a private security firm, Blackwater, that was kicked out of . Prince has previously been involved in trying to find dirt on Democratic politicians. Prince also allowed Project Veritas to use his familys Wyoming ranch for training. In more recent years, Prince has remained a mover and shaker and a controversial figure on the international stage. A spokesman for Mr. And they were doing this - it appears that they were doing this from the house where Beau and Sofia lived with others. It argues the article was not defamatory and the challenged statements would be protected as opinion based on disclosed facts., The dispute over jurisdiction could have a direct impact on the case. Project Veritas has said its activities are legal and protected by the First Amendment, and the case is scheduled to go to trial in the fall. They also did the secret interviews at the airport in Cody in the - at the Prince hangar. DAVIES: So an active player in the Trump world. Erik Prince conducts business around the globe, but in a pending lawsuit, he says he does the bulk of his work from Wyoming. DAVIES: You know, the other thing that I wanted to just clarify to the extent I can is how much of a driving force Erik Prince was in this. One of the undercover operatives also got a job working for a consortium of wealthy liberal donors the Wyoming Investor Network which had made a strategic decision to support Republican moderate candidates over those more closely aligned with Mr. Trumps agenda, the documents say. DAVIES: They'd gotten formal training in this. Prince noted he owned a home in Wyoming and had been connected to the state since 1992. Prince turned to Mr. Seddon to help train the Project Veritas operatives. How Times reporters cover politics. And they targeted - Project Veritas had a whole series. Last month, Project Veritas made public secretly recorded video of a longtime ABC News correspondent who was critical of the networks political coverage and its emphasis on business considerations over journalism. GOLDMAN: It's not clear they're actually being trained in firearms training. It's my understanding he designed the training exercises, which could have included, like, you know, going out to bars in Cody and trying to get people's names and numbers, how to pitch somebody in an elevator, how to spot people who could potentially provide you information. Prince said he thought hed registered to vote when hed obtained a Wyoming drivers license in October 2017. They were, in fact, undercover spies who had been building a cover as eager Democrats when, in fact, they were anything but that. But then they got reversed stung by the Post, which was quite a moment. Efforts to locate Mr. Thomas were unsuccessful. He was asked whether he had provided any of the groups secret recordings of Democracy Partners to the Republican National Committee or any member of the Trump family. And then as I sort of gathered - started to gather information on this, I knew this was going to be a story. And Las Vegas was the - you could almost say it was the pinnacle, the apex of their operation. Prince took on the role of celebrity pitchman, according to interviews and documents, raising money for Mr. Seddons spying operation, which was aimed at gathering dirt that could discredit politicians and activists in several states. And so I was able to piece that together. What was going on there? Mr. document.write (document.charset ? Do we know? One of the people involved in the McMaster plot was Barbara Ledeen, a longtime Republican staffer on the Senate Judiciary Committee before retiring, she says, earlier this year. Their attorneys wrote that the story did not focus its efforts on or in Wyoming, nor would it have any reason to do so . GOLDMAN: Project Veritas is founded by James O'Keefe. //]]>-->. There were steps taken to advance this plan, but in the end, it didn't happen because McMaster was fired. Jim Mattis, then the defense secretary, rejected the idea. This includes participating in marches or rallies in support of a movement or giving money to, or raising money for, any political candidate or election cause. Now, this couple weren't really the committed Democrats they presented themselves as, right? Good stuff, Mr. Seddon wrote back. I also think that - I think recently, too, O'Keefe, did a photo op or made a video with Donald Trump. He's a former British intelligence officer who served in Washington, D.C., and in Pakistan and eventually leaves the British Secret Intelligence Service and develops some relationship with Erik Prince, a security contractor, and ends up being director of field operations at the conservative group known as Project Veritas. And then on a parallel but different track, you know, Sofia is trying to make her way through the Young Democrats of Wyoming, the Wyoming Democratic Party, you know, building her bona fides as an eager, young Democrat. This is FRESH AIR. And that one was made public. We rely on our journalists to be independent observers. DAVIES: Adam Goldman is a Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter for The New York Times. People have probably heard of this organization. Mr. Seddon and Ms. Gore did not respond to messages. And I got swept away reporting on that and eventually was able to come back to it. (Last week, Trump pardoned the four Blackwater guards who were convicted of crimes in connection with the killings in Baghdad.). Mr. Richard Seddon, trained conservative operatives first at the Prince family ranch in Wyoming, then at a large, $10,000-a-month house near Georgetown University. And the operatives had to give a - you know, had to give a cover story under duress. In 2017, he met with White House and Pentagon officials to pitch a plan to privatize the Afghan war using contractors in lieu of American troops. Is this stuff a crime? One of the documents indicates that Marti Halverson, a former Wyoming state lawmaker, provided a list of people for the operatives to target. At the center of the scheme was an unusual cast: a former British spy connected to the security contractor Erik Prince, a wealthy heiress to the Gore-Tex fortune and undercover operatives like. Did you receive the spare camera yet?. During a meeting in a Las Vegas suburb last April of employees of Ms. Gores organization, the Wyoming Liberty Group, Mr. Seddon pitched a proposal to build a website where other so-called preppers could buy their own supplies and communicate with each other in the event of what he called a Black Swan moment a major terrorist attack, another pandemic or a civil war. And it all kind of went south when the Post exposed it. GOLDMAN: She was very active. DAVIES: Right. The documents also show that, beyond Ms. Gore, other prominent Republicans in Wyoming were involved in Mr. Seddons spying operation. Erik Prince decides that Project Veritas needs something new. Mr. Blackwater founder Erik Prince arranged for political activist James O'Keefe's conservative group Project Veritas to receive more than one round of "training in intelligence and elicitation. So while Times staff members may vote, they are not allowed to endorse or campaign for candidates or political causes. GOLDMAN: Well, again, this is a little murky. I mean, he - it seems that - it's our understanding that Prince introduced Seddon to Project Veritas. He owns a home on a lot adjoining his familys Double E Ranch in Wapiti. (SOUNDBITE OF FRANK ZAPPA'S "EAT THAT QUESTION"). Other outlets, however, have continued writing about the contractor. Were just trying to hold them accountable for this industrial espionage.. DAVIES: Right. The plan was reportedly to send a female operative to Tosca, a restaurant McMaster frequented, to engage him in drinks and conversation and record him disparaging Trump or making other inappropriate remarks on camera. You know, I've covered politics for a long time myself, mostly at the state and local level. So while Times staff members may vote, they are not allowed to endorse or campaign for candidates or political causes. GOLDMAN: Well, I don't know if he is primarily the guy. We rely on our journalists to be independent observers. Prince, Mr. Seddon and other topics, but he called his group a proud independent news organization that is involved in dozens of investigations. They were certainly using attractive women to lure people out on dates. To continue reading, you will need to either log in to your subscriber account, or purchase a subscription. And her picture wasn't her name GOLDMAN: It was a fake name, Maria. Prince declined to comment. DAVIES: Let's talk about some of the people who are behind this. You mentioned that he was recruited by Erik Prince. These were videos of - you know, in one case, Democrats or people working for the government who were - you know, it seemed like they were slow rolling the president's agenda or trying to thwart it or using - they were part of, you know, the DSA, the Democratic Socialists of America. You know, he's a businessman. To do so would potentially reveal the sources identity, in breach of a promise of confidentiality made to the source, and creating personal risk for the source, they wrote, adding Princes real motive in bringing this lawsuit obtaining the identity of [The Intercepts] confidential source is plain., Further, if Prince is allowed to take discovery of The Intercept, the lawyers say they should be allowed to probe Princes ties to Virginia versus Wyoming, since he already has been forced to admit [his sworn statements] contained certain falsehoods.. After Mr. Gordon won a close Republican primary battle against Mr. Friess, the billionaire, in August 2018, Mr. Friess blamed his loss on Democrats switching parties on Election Day to vote for Mr. Gordon. And this is FRESH AIR. GOLDMAN: No. DAVIES: Did any of these result in resignations, firings, criminal investigations GOLDMAN: You know, and in the end, the people who were involved, I think, were, you know, slightly humiliated. He's a Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter for The New York Times. One February 2019 report said that a new undercover will be joining the team and tasked with targeting Mr. Harshman. So while Times staff members may vote, they are not allowed to endorse or campaign for candidates or political causes. If he enters the race, he would be challenging Republican incumbent John Barrasso in the 2018 primaries, with the encouragement of Steve Bannon. A document that month said that Mr. Seddons operatives had identified three potential sources in the new governors administration and have begun accelerated cultivations with a view to early recruitment., Later in January, the operatives wrote that they had successfully recruited another source with a role in the new governors administration, adding that the source has agreed to provide insights, help expose corruption and assist with eventual placement of undercovers.. They targeted The Washington Post. Even if it is true that Prince now genuinely considers himself a Wyoming resident, it cannot be said that [The Intercept] could fairly anticipate being [hauled] into court in Wyoming, the attorneys wrote in a September filing. GOLDMAN: What - the training they got was when they worked for an outfit called Project Veritas. Erik Prince, the founder of private military company Blackwater, whose sister Betsy DeVos was Trump's education secretary, trained the spies Their job was to find out who was disparaging Trump. That's a name some people will know. document.write ("&loc=" + escape(window.location)); But, yeah, this kind of actual infiltration and spying, I don't think I've run across that. document.write ("'><\/scr"+"ipt>"); zoneId = '3'; His attorney did not provide an on-the-record response to questions about his clients voting history while elections officials in Virginia said any requests for voter information must be made in person, at the location where the individual registered. Funneling money surreptitiously to campaigns through other donors known as straw man donations would violate federal campaign finance laws. Adam Goldman, welcome back to FRESH AIR. They make significant political contributions, right? Prince a former C.I.A. At the time, Ms. Spanberger was running to unseat a sitting Republican congressman in a race both parties considered important for control of the House. Amid his globe-trotting, however, Prince says he does most of his work from Wyoming and calls Park County home. Both operations were run by Project Veritas, a conservative group that has gained attention using hidden cameras and microphones for sting operations on news organizations, Democratic politicians and liberal advocacy groups. What does that tell us about Erik Prince? (SOUNDBITE OF GOGOL BORDELLO'S "NOT A CRIME"). Defendants wrote and published a false and defamatory article about a Wyoming residents Wyoming-based business activities knowing that it would cause harm principally in Wyoming, New York attorney Matthew Schwartz charged in one filing. zoneId = '8'; contractor who is best known as the founder of the private military firm Blackwater and whose sister, Betsy DeVos, was Mr. Trump's education secretary has drawn. Erik Prince, founder and CEO of Blackwater Worldwide, in 2008. We are speaking with Adam Goldman. I don't know. The document is dated December 2018 and said that Mr. Talbott was another of the names of corrupt individuals from Marti.. So we had never seen something like that. DAVIES: Right. But her picture was on this website. She and Mr. DAVIES: What are Erik Prince's contacts or associations with Donald Trump and the Trump family? GOLDMAN: Yeah, I would say an active - sure, an active player in certain parts of Trump's world, yeah, or conservative - the conservative world. And, I mean, they were both active, but she was literally, you know, infiltrating these Democratic groups. Cole pointed to various records, including a campaign finance document from earlier this year, in which Prince listed his address as being in Virginia. And they stopped the - they would actually stop the operatives in a car. The special counsels report said that Mr. And last year, I learned that Beau and Sofia had been working out of this house in Georgetown. Anyone can read what you share. There was eventually litigation about that, wasn't there? Once a small operation running on a shoestring budget, Project Veritas in recent years has had a surge in donations from both private donors and conservative foundations. I have always understood him to be a resident of Northern Virginia, the lead writer of The Intercepts April story, Matthew Cole, wrote in a declaration. So he's going to pop up in all sorts of different places. And we all sort of wracked our brains to try to figure out if, like, has this been done before? Erik Prince, the former head of Blackwater Worldwide and the brother of Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, has at times served as an informal adviser to Trump administration officials. var m3_r = Math.floor(Math.random()*99999999999); And they - the purpose for - they themselves will launch this undercover operation and then, you know, secretly record you - audio, video - and then make a video out of it and, you know, expose what they describe as wrongdoing. Ms. Gore ended up rejecting the proposal because it was too expensive people with knowledge of the plan said it would start in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. GOLDMAN: Well, I think it was - our latest story revealed, you know, at least one person who had been working for the Democrats thought that Sofia likely might have gotten some damaging information about Democratic efforts to help, you know, moderate Republicans. A former British spy and Republican mega-donor Erik Prince, a founder of the private military contractor Blackwater (now rebranded as "Academi) and brother to former U.S. Education Secretary. They were critical of Donald Trump and his agenda. In August 2017, Ms. Jorge wrote to Mr. Seddon that she had managed to record a local union leader talking about Ms. DeVos and other topics. This item is available in full to subscribers. In 2016, Republican operatives believed they had obtained deleted Hillary Clinton emails from the dark web, and sought Mr. Princes assistance to authenticate them, an episode investigated by Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel in the Trump-era Russia inquiry. Why did they want to embarrass him and get him out of the government? What did they show? Attorneys for the outlet say The Intercept has no particular connection to the state and Princes ties are uncertain. But then January 6 happened, you know, the insurrection. var width = jQuery(window).width(); A local farmer was utilizing the land to grow corn and soybean crops, but the potential for the ranch was far from being realized. But I think - you would think that Democrats and Republicans would all be united, that this is a bipartisan issue, right? GOLDMAN: The Georgetown house in D.C. was used as a base to, you know, essentially launch these undercover operations in the summer of '18, I guess, into the fall and maybe later. I think Trump pardoned at least one. As a subscriber, you have 10 gift articles to give each month. GOLDMAN: The plan was to - it was basically - you know, in some ways, it was a classic sort of honey trap. Drawing on information from three unnamed sources, The Intercept reported Prince met with a top official from Russias Wagner Group at an undisclosed location earlier this year and offered his mercenary forces to support the firms operations in Libya and Mozambique.. After Mr. }else{ In a Jan. 15 order, U.S. District Court Judge Alan Johnson of Cheyenne tossed out Prince's defamation lawsuit against The Intercept. This includes participating in marches or rallies in support of a movement or giving money to, or raising money for, any political candidate or election cause. He's proposed similar things in other countries, hasn't he? He's a reporter for The New York Times. Currently, Prince leads a Hong Kong-based firm providing security, logistics, insurance and infrastructure services in parts of Africa and other high-conflict areas. Blackwater Worldwide founder Erik Prince is considering a Republican primary challenge to Wyoming Senator John Barrasso, a senior member of the Senate GOP leadership team, in a race that could pit the party's establishment against insurgents inspired by allies of President Donald Trump. In an archived version of her LinkedIn page, Ms. Jorge wrote she had a deep interest in the conservative movement and hoped one day to serve on the Supreme Court after attending law school. Oct. 21, 2020. It also seems, to me, murky. Prince and former British spy Richard Seddon both did work for the organization. During the 2018 meeting with Ms. Gore, according to one person familiar with it, Mr. DAVIES: Do we know of connections between Project Veritas and James O'Keefe and Trump, Donald Trump or the Trump family? GOLDMAN: They were thwarting the president's agenda. Several of them confirmed their donations. Prince said he regularly host[s] customers, investors, employees and other business associates at my Wyoming ranch.. Wagner which The Intercept described as a semi-private military force that operates in countries or conflicts where the Russian government seeks plausible deniability for its activities reportedly turned down Princes offer. There was a billionaire in - well, a very - I don't know if he was a billionaire. And ultimately, it did blow up in their face. At the time, Prince was exploring the possibility of mounting a Republican primary challenge to incumbent U.S. Sen. John Barrasso, R-Wyo. It seems like the Democrats have figured out this party switch deal to their advantage, Mr. Friess wrote in an email obtained by Wyofile, a political news site in Wyoming. However, the story quoted a former U.S. Treasury official who suggested simply making an offer to assist Wagner might have violated current U.S. sanctions in place against the Russian firm. DAVIES: But the idea was that these public officials or FBI agents were secretly - they were part of the deep state. GOLDMAN: Yes. O'Keefe writes about it in his book. Was he primarily the guy who got this thing moving? (SOUNDBITE OF BRUNO COULAIS' "SPINK AND FORCIBLE"). But "one of the most brazen operations of the campaign" was an attempt to take down H.R. This is FRESH AIR. The scope of that investigation is unclear. So Erik Prince, the private security contractor who is an ally and avid supporter of President Trump, connects with Project Veritas, who does these videos, and then they develop this whole different operation. "He's a very nice man," Prince said of Barrasso in the Breitbart interview. DAVIES: And then Beau and Sofia married, right? One target in particular was Gov. In 2017, Prince invited O'Keefe and Project Veritas employees to his family's Wyoming ranch and arranged for an unnamed former British MI6 officer to provide training for the group, The . Im not ashamed of the methods that we use or the recordings that we use, he said. With @Project_Veritas's special training, we will be the next great intelligence agency. Other Project Veritas employees on the emails include Joe Halderman, an award-winning former television producer who in 2010 pleaded guilty to trying to extort $2 million from the comedian David Letterman. And, of course, this was really weird because they work for Project Veritas. Now, you mentioned Project Veritas. That was certainly a catalyst. You know, a big question about the stories that you've described is, is this activity illegal, what the couple did in Wyoming, you know, presenting themselves as - dishonestly as active Democrats in order to get information? 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